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Discussion in 'Fun Stuff' started by Anonymous, Oct 8, 2011.

  1. Anonymous

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    ... that iron is more common under sand in minecraft
    ... Some times in bf3 you get 30 kills adn some times none?
    ... in tf2 you are R@p1ng everyone as spy , next morning you get 0:9
    ... deus ex: human revolution, you some times your enemies dont ever see ya' and suddenly they all together attack you

    Continue... Your turn
     
  2. Anonymous

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    ...sometimes stuff happens that doesn't happen other times
     
  3. Pablosky

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    ...sometimes stuff doesn't happen that happens other times
     
  4. Anonymous

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    ome times i dont cwhatudidthar
     
  5. 300_Angry_Kittens

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    What happened, happened and couldn't have happened any other way.
     
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    ...sometimes stuff happening in other times doesnt happen in this time that doesnt happen actually after they happened
     
  7. Anonymous

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    what stuff happen?????????????????????????
     
  8. Killvion

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    OH NO YOU DIDN'T!

    My entire final exam for philosphy will be about free will. And a large part of free will is of course the question whether you have a choice or not. If not, well then nothing could have happened any other way. Except if you believe in Kant, who says that nothing could have happened any other way, even though you do have free will...
     
  9. Anonymous

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    ... that I'm getting my mind blown because of all the paradoxes people is posting?
     
  10. Pablosky

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    You would suggest that if we roll back time for an hour, without altering anything, something different might still happen?
     
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    Sometimes you bake a pie and then you bake other pie inside the first pie, when you eat the first pie you taste the second pie!
     
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    I'm not suggesting anything. But if you don't alter anything, then the determined actions that led to the decision of what's ever now are still the same and therefore exactly the same should happen.

    In the end your entire life has been determined by actions and events that occurred in the past, even from before you were born. (according to the determinism)
     
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    So your decision stays the same, since you're incapable of deciding anything else and therefore lack free will.
    You're implying that your will is limited to the exact choice determined by previous events. A limited will is no free will. There, I just blew your mind.
     
  14. Anonymous

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    We went from:

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    I think this is a much more interesting philosophic subject
     
  15. Killvion

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    Oh this is what I concluded like 4 weeks ago. What I was telling was merely Kant's vision on this matter. Not my own.

    But in Kant's defence. He defines the world in two categories. A phenomenon and a noumenon world.
    The first is the world as we see it. Everything we see, we do, we experience happens in this world. The second one is the world as it is "on itself". Kant uses the term "Welt an sich". This world is the same as ours, but then rid of all our ways of seeing things. Everybody gives own interpretations on things. The Welt an sich is the actual world. We can't see this and will never be able to see this. Kant believes that our own world is determined, but states that we have no option but to assume that in the Welt an sich there is free will. Even though you might logically think that it would be the other way around. We think we have free will, but in fact we don't. The reason that we have to believe free will exists in the noumenon world is explained by Kant's "practical reason". If there is no free will, we can't keep people responsible for what they did, do and will do and therefore can't punish them. They couldn't help it either, so all criminal activities would become "allowed" in theory.

    Because that would turn society up side down, it's best to assume free will exist in the world we can't experience. Same goes for causality. We can't prove that whatever you did, caused what ever happened. But we have to assume it to be able to live normally.


    Respect to those who actually read this and also understand it. Kant is one of more complex philosophers, and I've tried to make it as easy as possible. His actual theories are a little bit more difficult, but this gives a very accurate description. (I hope lol)
     
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    Kill is blasting us with his knowledge on Immanuel Kant :)
    To be frank he just rediscovered Plato's findings (Socratic Platonic inside)...even with half of Plato's work lost

    Euhm there is no such thing as absolute free will, we are human beings that are influenced and still monkeys...We interact with our surroundings and keep it stored in our subconscious. Our mind still tricks us

    I will demonstrate this with a small movieclip
    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQjr1YL0zg[/youtube]

    Philosophers are a dieing breed, they cant keep up with the science of today. Therefore they will be running always behind and aren't very relevant (Nietzsche). Psychology and science has over taken it.
    I'm not saying philosophizing is wrong and abundant. Its always interesting but it are just brain spin offs by thinking about things worth thinking about ;)
     
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    Have you noticed...
    ...how Killvion always derails topics like a parasite? :p killv, you're really an asshole if you think about it. ;p
    ...that there are almost no fully functional tornados are used in games?
    ...you never can find something when you search for it, but when you don't search for it, you always know where it lies?
    ...that there will be cute animal babies in minecraft 1.9?
    ...that watching anime gives a higher chance of succes in games?
     
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    TL;DR.

    I'm getting so lazy on this forum ^^' .
     
  19. 300_Angry_Kittens

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    I only wanted to get a Matrix quote in, didn't want to spark a discussion on philosophy...
     
  20. Anonymous

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    KILL, i believe that your guy wassnt that right i mena. i think that there is a predetermined future... but not one but infinite. your will and future branches out with every choice u make and this leads to other choises. Your brain confines you to those choises, so the only thing limiting you to your future is yourself and not the overall idea of having free will to keep crime at bay