Wetenschapper: “Minister zit fout†Opnieuw heeft (demissionair) minister van Justitie opgeroepen om ‘extreem gewelddadige games’ te verbieden als de retail er niet in slaagt de verkoop aan minderjarigen aan banden te leggen. Hirsch Ballin stelt dat het makkelijker is games te verbieden dan films, omdat er minder ‘weerstand’ tegen is. Waarop baseert de minister zich? Welke wetenschappelijke onderbouwing heeft hij? Het antwoord van het Ministerie van Jusitie is… opmerkelijk. En onjuist, volgens een betrokken wetenschapper. Wij namen contact op met het Ministerie van Justitie en legden onze vragen voor. De reactie: “Het ministerie van Justitie heeft de voorkeur voor zelfregulering, maar schrijft desgevraagd aan de kamer dat wanneer zelfregulering niet slaagt, een verbod op games tot de mogelijkheden behoort.†Dit is echter geen antwoord op de vraag waarom een verbod wenselijk is. En ook is daarmee geen antwoord gegeven op de vraag waarom games wel verboden kunnen worden en gewelddadige films als Saw of The Passion of the Christ niet. Dus op welk onderzoek baseert de minister zich? “Deze beslissing is gebaseerd op de bevindingen van Peter Nikken, die onder meer zijn beschreven in zijn boek ‘mediageweld en kinderen’ uit 2007.†Opvallend is dat Peter Nikken zelf diverse malen heeft gezegd geen heil te zien in verbieden. Hij is er juist voor om opvoeders te leren om beter met diverse media om te gaan. De heer Nikken was helaas nog onbereikbaar voor commentaar, wel spraken we wetenschapper Jeroen Jansz, zelf expert op dit gebied. Jansz werkt ook intensief samen met Nikken. Volgens hem is een oproep tot verbieden ‘grote onzin’. “De interpretatie die het Ministerie heeft van het werk van Peter Nikken is een heel andere dan die ik zelf heb.†Onderzoek Daarnaast stelt Jansz op basis van zijn eigen onderzoek dat juist films en tv meer tot kopieergedrag leiden dan games bij kwetsbare groepen. Het is echter met name van belang dat ouders ‘mediawijs’ worden zodat ze met games, films en tv leren omgaan. Tegelijk geeft hij aan dat langjarige statistieken suggereren dat de huidige popcultuur niet bijdraagt aan meer criminaliteit. “Het aanbod van media waarin geweld zit is de afgelopen jaren enorm toegenomen. Maar de statistieken tonen geen toename in gewelddadige criminaliteit.†Jansz noemt dit ‘smeuïge informatie’ omdat de opponenten van games deze cijfers negeren. “Tot 1995 leken criminaliteitscijfers in de pas te lopen met een groeiend media aanbod. Maar nu daalt de criminaliteit terwijl het media aanbod stijgt. Opeens worden die statistieken niet meer genoemd.†Jansz noemt het zorgelijk dat het Ministerie van Justitie zo selectief met de feiten omgaat en ‘winkelt’ in het onderzoek van Nikken om toch maar een vorm van censuur te legitimeren.
i would like to give that minister a speach, but since sombody allready did it i will show you the speach that id say to him [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQfbJuBLDak[/youtube] private pyle = hirsch balin
It's always the same thing, old people can't understand new media, and think they know it all. Popmusic was satanic, Television made you a zombie and now games make you a massmurderer.
but dont you just want to walk around with a bazooka trying to gibbet people? i sure would! in fact i think im going to do that right now!!
i dunno about the netherlands, but here in germany so called "killergames" have been a pretty hot topic in all mass media and politics. especially since the winnenden school shooting last march there havn't been two weeks without some idiot or other demanding games to be prosecuted, taxed or banned. luckily all it lead to so far was the stigmatisation, and a lot of verbal harassment for games, mostly from small minded idiots, who need a scapegoat to blame for their mistakes in parenting, or politicians who want the idiots to vote for them. the most idiotic thing is they can't even define what exactly they're whining about, all definitions of the term so far have been loose enough to also encompass things like chess and other boardgames. Not to mention that the really hardcore titles are already forbidden in germany. further, most FPS and other graphically explicit games get a rating of "18 years only", which means no advertisement for them is allowed and they can not be openly displayed in stores, so theorethically minors are alerady unable to purchase them. so most of the legislation they're crying for so loudly has already been in effect for years here.
Frikking rabbitholes. They really need grow up and stop banning stuff they can't understand or know. We don't have an 18+ sticker on it for a reason. if children gets it we should look at the stores and maybe even the parents. I don't understand why games are being treated differently as other multimedia. If something like nudity or something like beating up a hooker is shown in games the whole world explodes in madness, in movies you'll see atleast 1 pair of boobs in a brutal horror movie. they really snap out of those old ideas....it's making me pissed.
Seriously.. wtf? Sometimes I really don't understand old people, maybe it's just their hair you know.. it turns grey, and it just starts sucking out their braincells one by one to keep sticking on their head, making them dumber and more annoying every day.. and eventually, when they're bald, well.. you can guess what happened..
@jer9: A lot of parents don't know sh*t about games. There are gamestore blogs on the net enough. Parent comes in with 10 year old kid. Kid tells dad he wants GTA IV. So dad walks to clerk and asks for gta. Clerk tells the parent that it's a 18+ game not suitable for minors. Parent gets agry because the kid wants that game. Game sold to parent (offcourse 18+) and kid plays gta... Damn shops, stop selling to minors The problem is clearly the parents/older people knowing sh*t about games and not giving a f*ck about age restrictions cause they don't care about gaming. ( or know about the meaning of the violence etc symbols) Got to admit, i've been playing every game that i wanted to play since i was about 10years old. And there's nothing wrong with me! Must keep urge down to kill that guy over there..... mmmmmmm kill...
age restrictions are juseless... (mostly) i mean, whats the big diffrence between being 16 and 18? i can tell you now... not a lot
I've been playing FPS games a lot... my nephew has COD:MW2... and he's turned 15 short ago... Still the good kid. For parents buying the games: yes they should be more carefull there. But dont blame it on the games. The makers often put on age markers on the box. Like with TF2, its rated "M" (Mature)... yet often I find a lot of 10-12 year olds on it. As I'm annoyed by their high pitched voices, I'm muting 'm often. But I dont think the games make kids go to school with a gun in their pocket... its more often the parents doing it wrong. And how the hell did they allow the kid to have access to such stuff ANYWAY?
@bart idd not a lot, but what's the difference between a 16+ game and a game for all ages? they aren't talking about the games for all ages... It's about the violence games that are being played by 10-12 year olds. You aren't allowed in a cinema for a 18+ movie... but if your parents allow you can rent it later to see it. Parents just don't care about restrictions. And they aren't really restrictions, more like guidelines but you don't rent a porn movie for your 12 year old son, do you?
i get in everywhere just put an arrogant face on and let my beard grouw xD naah im just a bit tall so people oftenly think im 18 at sutch things
My little brother, |LZ| WhiteShark, just turned 13 years old, and he also got the orange box for his birthday. He watches along with me while I'm gaming a lot, and usually I kinda make it more funneh than scary (with games like left 4 dead), but I kinda can't imagine how a 12-13 year old kid could get fucked up just by playing computergames. Aren't it just the games that keep them from the streets?
well, it's not bad to watch as long you tell him that just because it happens in game doesn't mean you should do/use/whatever it in real life. showing the barrier between games and reallife. this is especially hard in these days due games are getting way more realistic then back then. that's why younger people are going to see this line a lot less clearer. that's why they still need to be teached and parented in playing certain games. you don't let a 12 year old watch/play doom 3 or something, since the content is quite brutal and scary. even though games could keep them of the streets, that doesn't mean that they play it rightfully. who tells them that shooting persons or stabbing them in the kitchen knife is bad, its helps them through the levels right? that guy kills someone, because he betrays him. Why shouldn't I stab my brother if he deletes my savegames? why shouldn't I use those fighting moves in real-life? it could effect the mindset of the child/person who plays it and that causes trouble.