we sure all remember 'team.r-m | vlees'. you know, the crazy sniper with the big ego of which everyone (including me) thought he was a cheater. From ETF2L "Another ban: vlees Another cheater was caught. [vlees] was banned for using an aimbot in a match. More bans will be announced soon." http://etf2l.org/ http://etf2l.org/forum/user/8861/ I knew he was too good. felt like posting it here
Yup, bit LZ staff probably already know it. First time I saw him at lethal servers I almost wanted to report him, but then I got kicked for too long beeing 'afk' (when I was recording him as spec).
read it to didn't see him (or can't realy remember haha) cheaters ar just scum when i read about this i wa looking into the banlist of ETF2L and i saw aimbots, wallhackers, triggerbot -> never heard of it so i decided to google it and found a website FULL of tf2 cheats. imho they should nuke such site's and ban people from every game
i know vlees.. yeah i know bad people it seems.. but if you read the comments, he was banned even though he played 0 games, and there was no proof. anyways, we had this on the staff cheat forum here, and in the end there was no proof. simply saying, i have enough days that i think "this is not possible" yet when i go spec.. it all seems normal..
True but in CSS I knew some players which had altered their configuration so thinks became much easier for them. Think of skins, sounds etc. Not exactly cheating but not fair play also. Its just to bad that people can't be satisfied by the gameplay itself and feel the need to cheat (with or without the help of extra software). :cry: Proving cheating is the hardest thing to do untill there is server software which flawlessly detects any form of cheating. If Vlees didn't cheat he probably is willing to explain it all to us.
He's not the first 'extremely' good sniper they've had in ETF2L so they know what they're dealing with
I read the comments but I don't beleve they didn't have no proof. ETF2L doesn't ban you without a good reason. I'm sure they had enough demo's and stuff, they just don't publish it for public.
well i would still want to see a demo, banning somebody without giving a demo is just stupid, besides.. if somebody cheated they dont want to see the demo because they know the cheated
VICTORY!! eindelijk seg... ban die mr ineens van LZ. Want ons getuigenis (me & luke) dat die gecheat heeft op de servers, is nu wel serieus wa kracht bijgezet. En Snelvuur, tis waar dat die vaak vanuit spec normaal leek. Maar op een bepaald moment dat die bezig was en weer omgwtfbbq headshots aant doen was op scouts me nen ambassador van ne kilometer afstand, ben ik direct gn speccen en heb ik het weldegelijk gezien. die jerkte ineen naar ne muur waarachter weldegelijk een manneke bleek te staan toen die duidelijk naar iets buiten die deur wou schieten. Da was echt te duidelijk een aimbot.
wil de demo ook eens zien. maar iig ETF2L zegt dus eerst: used aimbot in a match en daarna blijkt het ineens een pub game te zijn of zo. en nog steeds is er geen demo en tegen Snelvuur zeggen iets in de trant van "we don't care about your public server" (hij vroeg naar de demo zodat hij me ook zou kunnen bannen). dus dan ineens vinden ze public weer niks waard of zo. Maar als je de comments leest staan er nog meer vreemde dingen tussen van mensen waar ik wel beter van verwacht had (niet ivm. conclusie): Ik: Ik heb geen enkele ETF2L match gespeeld. Iemand anders: JA, MAAR JE WAS WEL BIJ ESL!111!!!11amicoolnoaw? *link naar ESL profiel*. ESL-site: 0 matches played faal en het verbaasd me niet dat L!nk! deze topic geopend heeft: Ga toch ragequitten zo als je dat wel vaker doet en het boeit me echt niet wat je zegt en FYI: Scouts killen is voor mij heel schaars. Zou een aimbot niet ook Scouts altijd raken? (En als je nou zegt: kan je cker instellen dat ie geen Scouts raakt: watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKPMraauI3w )
For $ouljah: Learn your languages dude. If your uncapable of speaking dutch, then there is one thing to say "Je doet niet meer mee" :badgrin: Just kidding $oul, my life wouldn't be the same without you Oh and yes, you're right. ENGLISH PLEASE ! Vlees, laughed my ass of that movie :lol: Just wanted to share that. Got no idea if your ban is justified or not nor do I have an opinion about it but if people on Lethal-Zone suspect you of cheating they will have to come up with the evidence of it. Like they say: "Innocent until proven guilty" So lets stop pointing fingers here till there is evidence.
I see a lot of people who have aimbot too if vlees is a cheater! And I trust vlees, cuz I played with him before and I spectated him a lot and I thought he was a cheater too, but then he missed a lot of shots and sometimes awesome shots, so I say he is no cheater untill there is a fairly proof of it, but there is no proof at all! And ETF2l is also guessing who are cheaters or not, cuz I know more players which are banned but were no cheaters at all! The ETF2l community is f*cked up with a lot of f*ckers, so I don't even trust the admin team of ETF2L. Only when I say proof, but they will never show it! I only type this, cuz I know vlees for a long time! Close this topic indeed, like Khadgar said and I also agree with him!
I'm not going to pass my own judgement because I don't really remember vlees in the LZ servers. But I wonder about this: Why doesn't mr vlees ever even denies he used aimbot? Looking at the ETF2L page and this topic, he just denies he used it in a league game...