[VSH] Any maps you don't like?

I don´t see why you would like to remove sawmill, it´s pretty balanced and quite nice.

Remove:
- Turret Testing ( this map splits all the gamers opinions, there are the one side who likes the map and the other side who totally hates it)
- Cactustempel
- Well ( only spawncamping, not much of a real "game")
- livingroom new version (the old one was way better)
- haat
- oilrig
- plankfest
- turbine
- the map where the engies and demos camp in front of spawn, not sure about the name atm ( I guess runoff or something like that)

Feel free to comment on my opinion.

 

I'll go off what Snob said since I don't really remember names of some maps I really disliked.

- haat: It's an okay map. The bottom half is rarely used and haven't seen it used effectively. I wouldn't really care if it was removed.

- oilrig: I dislike this map. Even if you're HHH you could just use the ramps so not being to jump doesn't really affect you at all. If you were to remove the ramps it would just be a shitty map for the boss since he wouldn't be able to gain enough height from super jump to avoid all the knockback. I'd say remove it.

- plankfest:I don't have problems with plankfest, but it's somewhat boring. The map itself isn't colorful, and you can't really do anything different the next round.

- turbine:This is the same as plankfest except that it's indoors which makes it worse for me. Bad time for boss and not that great of a time for players.

2fort: For some reason I have trouble keeping up with the boss. I think it would be cool to remove the water and just a ramp or stairs at the bottom. It would make it different and I think it'll make players use the bottom half more. Anyways as it is currently I dislike it.

Gridwalls (I think thats the name) : I really like that map even though you half the time you could die by getting boss in the same room as you. It's just different from the typical maps so I enjoy it. Keep it.

Waterbasin: Some people dislike this map but I have no idea why. It's really open and I think its fair for both sides. Keep it

Nucleus: Too small and the boss usually falls down the pit. Remove it.

What happened to Warehouse getting an update? I thought it was ready a long time ago.

Is there a map list I could look at?

 

In my opinion, all the maps should stay(except vsh_partyisland because thats just plain random). Every map has its own pros and cons which make Hale and the players devise a different strategy for each. Hence making VSH more fun in a way, if you remove a map just for its cons then you might aswell remove all the maps. Its up to the players to decide the next map, so if the players want to play it then this shouldn't be problem. If a map has some problems, I'm sure the skilled LZ mappers could come up with a decent fix for it.

P.S. If a map is too easy for the players such as the old livingroom, the mapper will nerf it. Actually it wasn't even a nerf since the old elevators would rise to the desired height but the players would use the momentum to go even higher. Engineers could even build buildings in mid air with the old elevators. The mapper made it so it wasn't exploitable anymore, so imo new livingroom > old livingroom.

 

Yep, but the "improved" elevators are a pain in the ass cause you can´t jump with them and hale kills you cause you are freaking stuck in there and can´t jump.

 

damn i really really need some screenshots for the maps!
i am everytime like"yeah map is changing to cactustemple! i like dis map"
and then i am asking my self how it looks again XD

 

http://wiki.lethal-zone.eu/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3342359

There you have the list with small picture of all the maps ^^

Personally, i don't have problem with the actual map list (well, if you don't count partyisland, this map is awefull and i guess no one will miss it). I just find sad that on north_mountai, more than half of the map is wasted 'cause no one use it.
The only problem with sawmill is that some ppl seem to have heavy lag on that map. I never had any lag on it but the map itself is ok IMO

 

The changed map list.

Spoiler

Maps list when on server are less than 10 players:

vsh_freight_b2:
arena_hydrothunder_b4:
arena_lumberyard:
arena_nucleus:
arena_offblast_final:
arena_plankfest:
vsh_pool_lz_b2_fix
vsh_ravine_lz_b1:
vsh_crevice_lz_a4
arena_sawmill:
vsh_well_lz_b2:
vsh_2fort_lz_b2:
vsh_badlands_lz_b2:
vsh_courtyard_lz_b4:
vsh_dropdown_b1_fix::
vsh_farm_feud_lz_v1:
vsh_granary_lz_b2:
vsh_haat_lz_b2:
vsh_hydroelectric_lz_v2:
vsh_military_medieval_lz_b6:
vsh_oilrig_lz_v4:
vsh_partyisland_lz_b1:
vsh_polar_lz_b1a:
vsh_poletaa:
vsh_ram_shacked_lz:
vsh_ravage_lz_b2:
vsh_rockslide_2:
vsh_top_arena_v1:
vsh_turbine_lz_b3:
vsh_waste_lz_b3:
vsh_abysmal_lz_a3:
vsh_weaponsdepot_final:
vsh_dunger_b2:
vsh_magazine_lz_b2a:

Maps list when on server are more than 10 and less than 20 players:

arena_hydrothunder_b4:
arena_lumberyard:
arena_nucleus:
arena_offblast_final:
arena_plankfest:
vsh_ravine_lz_b1:
arena_refinery_b3:
arena_sawmill:
arena_timberworks_b2a:
arena_warehouse:
vsh_well_lz_b2:
vsh_2fort_lz_b2:
vsh_aperture_lz_b3:
vsh_arakawa_b8:
vsh_area_54tress_b4:
vsh_badlands_lz_b2:
vsh_cactustemple_v1:
vsh_concord_lz_b3:
vsh_courtyard_lz_b4:
vsh_crevice_lz_a4:
vsh_dropdown_b1_fix:
vsh_farm_feud_lz_v1:
vsh_goldtooth_b4:
vsh_granary_lz_b2:
vsh_haat_lz_b2:
vsh_hydroelectric_lz_v2:
vsh_island_b1:
vsh_manncohq_v14_fix:
vsh_military_medieval_lz_b6:
vsh_partyisland_lz_b1:
vsh_polar_lz_b1a:
vsh_poletaa:
vsh_pool_lz_b2_fix:
vsh_ram_shacked_lz:
vsh_ravage_lz_b2:
vsh_rockslide_2:
vsh_runoff_lz_v1a:
vsh_seismic_lz_b2:
vsh_spotline_reworked:
vsh_timbertown_lz_b2:
vsh_top_arena_v1:
vsh_tundra_lz_v5:
vsh_turbine_lz_b3:
vsh_turret_testing_lz_b3:
vsh_twinfalls_lz_b2:
vsh_waste_lz_b3:
vsh_west_lz_b1:
vsh_weaponsdepot_final:
vsh_shell_reservoir_a1:
vsh_dunger_b2:
vsh_magazine_lz_b2a:
vsh_waterbasin_b2:
vsh_livingroom_lz_a3:
vsh_snow_valley_v4:
vsh_north_mountain_pb:
vsh_harbour_base_reworked:

Maps list when on server are more than 20 players:

arena_kolob:
arena_refinery_b3:
vsh_area_54tress_b4:
arena_warehouse:
vsh_cactustemple_v1:
vsh_concord_lz_b3:
vsh_crevice_lz_a4:
vsh_haat_lz_b2:
vsh_island_b1:
vsh_runoff_lz_v1a:
vsh_tundra_lz_v5:
vsh_twinfalls_lz_b2:
vsh_west_lz_b1:
vsh_weaponsdepot_final:
vsh_shell_reservoir_a1:
vsh_livingroom_lz_a3:
vsh_snow_valley_v4:
vsh_north_mountain_pb:
vsh_waterbasin_b2:
vsh_turret_testing_lz_b3:
vsh_manncohq_v14_fix:

It's mostly the same list as Oskis' with some small changes.
Changes:

Added vsh_pool_lz_b2_fix to under 10.
Added vsh_crevice_lz_a4 to under 10
Added vsh_waterbasin_b2 to 20+.
Added vsh_turret_testing_lz_b3 to 20+.
Added vsh_manncohq_v14_fix to 20+.

Removed vsh_waterbasin_b2 from under 10.
Removed vsh_polar_lz_b1a from 20+.
Removed vsh_ram_shacked_lz from 20+.
Removed vsh_pool_lz_b2_fix from 20+.
I don't know which map vsh_abysmal_lz_a3 is so I removed it from the list.

Also for vsh_freight_b2: (Not sure why, but I have extreme fps problems on this map. I know some people did too, but I dunno if it's been fixed since I've last been on.)

I almost forgot the most important map GRID WALLS. Add it to every cycle. Don't forget it.

 

corrected that for you.

 

I actually was going to leave a comment for each map, but instead I removed it because it was a repeat for most maps.
The only reason I added Turret & Manncohq to the list of 20+ was because I thought it was chaotic which made it fun. Even though I do agree it's a bad time for the boss.
But yeah I guess most players enjoy playing the Boss, I usually reset queue points now.

Pls oskis show us a final list when you're done.

 

<Not getting into this conversation, just adding a comment and bugging out of here>

I love how not one mapper gave their opinion and the maps that they worked hard on to make even are being dissed same as before and people are just gonna whine until they get a map where hale can't touch them.. Grow a SPINE and stop whining about losing to hale please... Server is configured to make it hard for all saxton bosses and you complain because the map makes it easier for him and harder for you, duh it's because it has to be balanced else it's not fun for both sides...

I'm surprised that Oskis is doing this... I disagree with the entire list and organization system just FYI and no I will not respond again to this thread as it's down right going out of the thread title. Not about removing maps people don't like, but it's about people getting an advantage in the maps, the organization is stupid in the base, people will leave if they can't play a specific map because there's a few players more/less than the required category demands..

@Shroobus:
Congratulations for dismissing a map you've never seen, *claps*, you should be testing all maps to make judgement not dismiss a map because you don't know it.

P.S. We have JIRA for all maps that are on our servers.. you can go there and see any map suggest what needs to change by a matter of commenting on there.. it's as simple as that and the mappers are notified via email that something has been changed on the page.. but no instead of doing so you end up dismissing maps because you're lazy over-all...

Cheers~

 

Did you seriously write that just because I said I left out ONE map?
I took my time to respond to this thread. I also don't give a damn about losing as boss of I did I would've raged all the time. Don't you think I would've done that?
I just said I disliked some small maps because it's not fun to be harassed by sentries and not have enough space to jump freely. It is my opinion after all. I guess I should leave any semi-negative comments and just praise all the maps. I get that people are offended if someone talks badly about something they put time into, but why does my opinion matter so much? I play differently anyways. Maybe I should just stay out of future map discussions if that'll make you happy Shadow.

 

Guys,

My knowledge of VSH is limited, I admit that, but from what I see you're going to put some of the most popular and liked maps in situations where they are of the least use: When the server is full. Imagine if you could only play Goldrush and Badwater Basin on All Maps 1 if there were 20 people on the server. That wouldn't work out for shit, and not just because we couldn't fill up the server anymore.

I strongly advice you to ONLY limit a map's appearance in the vote if it's REALLY no fun to play with more/less players than the server has at that point. Leave all other maps in there for choice. Also: Don't remove maps unless they are absolutely and without doubt fucked up. The more choice and diversity the players get, the more fun it becomes to return. If a map will always result in an empty server, then get it out. If it doesn't, just let it in. If people want it, they'll vote for it, if they don't want it, they won't vote for it.

If you want to categorize maps, it's MUCH better to make different voting categories. Option one will be a map of average liking, option two will be a map that doesn't get chosen very often, option three is a popular map. That way you make sure that there won't be a "shitty vote" with only "bad maps".

Lastly, if you think a map is bad because there are glitches/minor mistakes? We have a couple of awesome guys here at LZ that dedicate quite a bit of their time to fixing and creating maps for VSH, it's rather a spit in their face to discard maps they're working on without even ever having said anything in the feedback threads.


Trust me on this one, you don't want to fuck this up.

 

But Kollivon you know players become idiots when it comes to voting.

 

Well from my experience with AM1's maplist I can only suggest, I believe that's also what killvion said (tl;dr ), keep it simple.

We used to have time (as in, server time) settings (nighttime maps etc). player limits, whatnot, but in the end, I ended up removing all of it for the sake of simplicity.

Having one sucky map now and then shouldnt be a problem because there's still RTV. If you think RTV doesnt work very well, then rather turn the wheel on that one!