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[VSH] rage = noob and range

Discussion in 'Team Fortress 2' started by Paper Doll Man, Jun 11, 2012.

  1. Paper Doll Man

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    Hi Lethal Community!

    After I've talked about my views on the overplayed maps in one of my previous threads, i want to adress the constant bashing of the bosses rage abilities this time!

    I don't know which people do this but sometimes I feel like i am in preschool here! People don't let other people play their bosses like they want to, instead they get insulted just for using rage and killing them. I noticed this behaviour especialy by regulars (I don't want to call any names). When they do it then other people join in because they think it's ok!

    In my opinion admins should do something about that so new people don't get scared away just because some people can't control their temper.

    Hope you understand my concerns and will work something out.

    And for people who complain all the time because they get killed "10 meters away":

    http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Lag_compensation
     
  2. Osk1s

    Osk1s Cool Kid

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    I only say that to Echo. :D
     
  3. Paper Doll Man

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    Wait, wha...? :|
     
  4. Snobgoblin

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    @Paper
    Well yes, I see many people raging about Ragekills and especially one man rage (including me), but most people who really get mad about these rages are NOT regulars. And with the "scareing the new people", sometimes they get mad, too or they just say things like "This guy hacks" or something like that.
    Insulting is forbidden in any way and is kick and bannable (inappropriate language, or just check the !calladmin with "bad language"). The admins can see the chatlog of the player and can then take any steps that might be necessary.

    But anyways, someone needed to make that topic to let everybody see this.
     
  5. Snelvuur

    Snelvuur King of Sand

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    i always complain i get killed by the lag compensation..

    and they almost ALWAYS rage on me.. because i play pyro and its just funny to make them rage.. "i know it was you snelvuur" hehe.. :)
     
  6. Snobgoblin

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    Pro tip: Best way to kill Snel without rage is just kill him when no medic and no dispenser is around and do some freakin airbone attacks :D lag hit will count on snel and he will be sad :3
     
  7. Paper Doll Man

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    From all the people that I've seen complaining consist the majority of the regulars.
     
  8. JaptorResus

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    Your feelings are true. 70% of all players are younger than 15 years.
    As you might have noticed, the vsh community changed over the time :/

    All you can do is give warnings to stop intimidating players.
     
  9. Snobgoblin

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    Well then whats a regular for you?
     
  10. Paper Doll Man

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    Basicly a person who is well recognized among the playerbase.
     
  11. Snobgoblin

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    hmm k then add me as friend and give me some names, please because I don´t really get who you mean.
     
  12. Panromir

    Panromir "10/10 amazing guy"

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  13. Paper Doll Man

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    I don't know why you need me to do it. Just go to the stats page, check out the chatlog of the top10 players and filter their chat with 'rage'. Here are your regulars who needlessly complain.

    I don't know how this trend started but you got to admit that this is just childish and uncalled for. I remembered Lethal-Zone as a friendly community and want it to remain that way!
     
  14. Zeyon

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    Im just gonna share my opinion on the matter.

    The bosses 'rage' ability is a very situational ability.

    In some cases (In my opinion) it's fine, and others its bad, others it's just dumb.

    Here's an example..

    There are two players left on the map, let's say a demoknight and an engie with a small base set up. The logical case is to rage the engie, as he is likely the biggest threat, but instead hale doesnt think about what he is doing, single-rage the demoknight, then doesnt have enough HP for the second rage, thus he dies. This is somewhat annoying and good at the same time, as it's his own fault.


    The other situation is the infamous pure single-rage. Where the boss rages a single rage one person, usually not even a high threat target, but also often they might be. The last player is a good example of this. Now, there arnt really any way to defend against such a thing, it uses to though, the insta-teleport "glitch" but that got patched (?) so that life-line is now gone.


    In a nutshell, I despise single raging, but sometimes its necessary.

    Personally, I don't ever rage (or in very extreme situations I might pop one or two, or when Snel is playing..) because I consider my self experienced enough, so I can play without it. I see it as a fun challenge. You must really proritize your targets more carefuly and watch out for damage.

    (This is by no means a bragging right, Im just pointing out it's definetly possible to deal without it.)


    I was gonna write more, but I has things to do. My opinion on rages in a shellnut (albiet a bit long).
     
  15. Anonymous

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    or just kiss his ass again...
     
  16. Shadow

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    Everyone has a momentary gap of rage.. you know about all the stuff, lag compensation, hale wasting rage if he just does it on you, but this won't stop that since you came to play.. not die in a moment because of something you couldn't handle.. Eventually you get tired of it and you go into a short rage (note this applies to only people who don't literally go into a spam in the chat/voice) Also I can tell you that hale's range is a bit bigger than just plain melee.. just by a bit, so he can reach stuff that's shooting at him considering the lag compensation... Insulting is forbidden in whatever the way, but if you consider every person that says "Range" after dying a rager then my sir you are mistaken.. They aren't raging really.. I am talking of myself mostly here because I really hate valve not improving their engine to handle faster gameplay.. It's a moment.. you can go through my log and it's filled with range and rage.. but I'm not insulting anyone really.. (not that I'm allowed to but eh.. nice to mention). Hope I made this a bit clearer.. just take it into consideration.

    -Shadow
     
  17. Snelvuur

    Snelvuur King of Sand

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    cl_interp 0
    cl_update 67

    cl_interp 0 will make it to the best possible setting (it will not actually set it to 0)

    This will change your lerp to 30ms, instead of 100ms. The amount of hits i got was reduced (at least i think so) :p
     
  18. Shadow

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    Oh you like to thinks so. hehe
     
  19. Anonymous

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    My opinion is that you can beat all even if you dont use rage. But turrets are very difficult destroy without rage if the turrets are at strong points for example small rooftops.
     
  20. Repulsion Gel

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    go for the engi or airstrafe the turret