Whoever changes maps for LZ, and Admins, about 4starters

WHY DIDNT YOU ASK ME FOR IT?

Okay, no hate, i probably even get it... partially... so here's what happened:
I am the one who made Jump_4starters
And i was a little Irritated when QuBa recently asked me: hey, have you released a "_b1_fix" version of your map?

So i went out to investigate, and found your quiet little "easy Jump" server, with a version of my map, that i could bet i never compiled, with a name i would never have chosen.

to me, as a developer, and not from a management perspective:
alpha: early version
beta: content complete, not bug-fixed
rc: release version, minor bugs/glitches mb still in, but majorly bug-fixed and good to go

since i'm not finished with the maps jumps, i would never have called it "_b1" ... and the name makes it sound like i compiled a new version, just for you guys

BUT: thats not what actually really bothers me about it, though it may be the grain to tip the scale




WHAT really bothers me, is that someone decompiled my map (i can deal with that), changed something (i will get to what was changed later), AND SLAPPED YOUR DECAL IN THE SPAWNROOM, BEFORE RECOMPILING HORRIBLY ---- WITHOUT ASKING ME FIRST </rage>



sooo, to break that down: explanation of what was changed, and why it was necessary:

I browsed your forum and found a recent post about some guy trolling horribly, and putting teleporters under the spawn destinations you get to, after failing a jump, to make people go back to the start, or make em stuck in sentries, and similar idiotic maneuvers.

I agree with you, that stupid morons like that should be stopped from having the chance to behave this way!

So that is what was changed: no-build zones under the teleporter destinations, as well as the Decal in the starting room - and i think something about the gravity jump transfering outside via !teleport command was fixed, though i don't know how and what exactly.

like i said, the no-build zones were necessary, i just didn't know about that problem, since most jump_servers i go to have some kind of heavy admin control, to keep trolls out, or just forbid Classes the map was not designed for, so i just... was never made aware of the issue before - otherwise i would've already taken care of it myself.

And this is what bothers me about it: If you guys had just asked me for it, i would probably have compiled a version just for your server, and put the nobuild zones in myself, and even if i didn't have the time, for whatever reason, i would've probably given you the hammer file, so decompile couldn't mess it up.


But the way it happened now is: Someone else, who doesn't seem to have the most experience in those things (sry if i insult you with this, i can only go with what i see here) took probably a good portion of his time to decompile the map and put the *fixes* in for your server, and then recompiled the map badly.

Fly outside of the map in spec mode, and see what i mean - i don't even know how that happens, since vis seems to be included in the compile, and water is rendered at least half right... so no leaks, no fast compile... i don't even know... w/e
For those who don't get it: Usually when done right, if you fly out of bounds, you can see inside the map map, and see the rooms normally - but here you have a huge blurry chaos, as if staring into the void in a leaking map.

Also: whoever compiled this didn't HDR compile it, so the map looks... different... for those used to the hdr versions (no bloom, less contrast, less prettynezz)

And lastly: Water - reflections - any one?


overall: what bothers me about this:
1.) - I'll have to put in the fixes, too, one way or another, so whoever did this for you won't have the trouble to fix this in every version I'm gonna release in the future - also mb other servers have the same problem, and would like to keep engi activated, too - so yea... i'll definitely have to put in the fixes myself, too...
2.) - Icon in the start room, HOW DARE YOU O_O
3.) - minor compile quality
4.) - misleading name

What i hope for with this:
Some kind of explanation to why you guys didn't just contact me, or post the problem in the TF2 Jump forums, where i put all the new releases, as well as ask for bugs/problems/ideas for fixes/feedback in general.
To know what exactly the problems is, and what the hotfixes involved were exactly, so i can fix the problems for future releases.

I DON'T want you to take down the version you are using atm, since i don't have the exact old compile of it any more, and a recompile would most likely destroy peoples !saves, so hurt the community more than it would help - just keep it up for a few more weeks / mb a few months, till the new version is done.

So don't feel offended, i understand why you did it, i understand why you needed to rename it (version conflicts... seen my fair share of those by now...), i just don't get why you didn't just... ask... yea...


greetings and happy jumping, gg

also, sorry for the long rambling...

 

You are right, our mapmakers should go to the official mapmaker to ask permission. But on the other hand, you can't claim the map that it's your map only for yourself ofcourse. Valve can only do that if I'm right.

I just say that we need permission from the mapmaker himself, but the mapmaker can only blame us for "fixing" his map. Nothing else.

I'm not a mapmaker at LZ.

 

yea, i was gone for a week, sry about not answering earlier:

about the law - ethics thing - i agree with morrolan - just because its legal doesn't necessarily mean you should be doing it

but like i said, i'm not mad or anything, and i kinda get why it had to be done

the only thing i am a bit frustrated about, is that i still have to put the fixes in myself - its just... double the work... and luckily i stumbled over it myself, otherwise whoever *fixed* it for you, would have to do the same for all future releases, too.

Soooo, it would be really peachy if whoever changed the map could step up and tell me what exactly was done and where it was done, so i can implement it myself and he/she wont have to do the work again...

*edit because the normal grinning smiley looks evil - something about the grin and the eyebrows seems very upsetting to me... just look at him...*

 

nah, dutch isnt really in there - usually english does just fine :3
i could give you a little german, if that helps

oookay, so it was you who fixed the map?
would it be okay for you to add me in steam? i just want/need to know what exactly you did to stop the trolls, so i can put it in for future releases, too ^_^

 

Snelvuur, there should be places where engineers could build their stuff. It's also funny to go with engineer through the maps... It's not only for soldiers and demomen, they also made some maps for other classes like scouts and engineers.

 

okay, we got in contact, and i now know what to do :3

So, yea, thanks for everyones patience and support regarding this, and i guess i'll notify you when i'm finally finished... however long that may take (soooo much work...)

GG, happy jumping <3